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LDiCesare
10-03-2007, 09:36 AM
I think there aren't that many storyline quests.
Also, it would be nice if, rather than unblocking the harder world when you reach level 25/xx/..., you'd unblock it when you finished all storyline quests, as the storyline quests are reset when you increase world difficulty.
I mean, when you kill the last boss in the storyline, it doesn't feel that special at all. It's a bit sad.
Finally, a 'Skip all' option for storyline quests would be nice too rather than skipping 2 warmaster quests, skipping one steward, etc. back and forth.

Asmodean
10-03-2007, 10:41 AM
I agree about being able to skip all quests up to the current one.

However, I don't think the storyline plays an important role in the game. I mean, it is there, and it's a very interesting read, but you can disregard it entirely and focus more on fighting other Covenants or doing your own things.

For example, in my previous game, I had 6 groups of uniques all gathered up in Deadwood Forest (or is it Deadfall? - Can't remember, but it was a Level 15 zone). At the same time, a plague was raging in town, and the only cure was to collect 7 defender eyes from mobs in Deadwood Forest.

As a result, I pretty much made it my life's mission in that world to a) stop the plague and b) clear up the zone a little bit. That, to me, was often more important than the storyline - and the events that led to it were purely random!

With DoP's system of randomly generated quests, I think the storyline can often be what you want it to be.

AnalogKid
10-03-2007, 01:54 PM
I agree that you don't have to care about the story quests, and that the game is very fun without worrying about them. However, I also agree that finishing them was very disappointing. I figure that if story quests are in the game as one of many things to care about, then they should have a satisfying conclusion. Some ideas that would at least help a little, imo:

- At a minimum, give a center-of town reward chest similar to defeating other covenants. You did supposedly just save all of Jorvik, after all.

- Have town NPCs (vendors, quest givers) react to the fact that you've saved Jorvik, and maybe give discounts (reset on the new difficulty levels, of course).

- Have someone (probably the steward) teleport to where you are when you finally finish the story quests and congratulate you. He could also tell you about whatever extra rewards are in store for you. This would be the one place for a cut scene, if there ever would be one. In-engine exposition would be fine, too (maybe some fireworks :D).

- Find some game-fiction justification for the different difficulty levels. This one is probably very hard, but would be really neat if it could be done.

AnalogKid
10-15-2007, 05:36 PM
I just had a thought about an easy change to finishing the storyline quests that I think would be a very nice addition. The game opens up overall difficulty levels every 25 character levels. It's based on levels because the story quests are optional, de-emphasizing the RPG aspects and emphasizing the strategy/action aspects of the game.

What about allowing players to play on the higher difficulties based on an OR fuction?

- You've hit level 50 -> you get the third difficulty available.
OR
- You've finished the storyline on the 2nd difficulty -> you get the 3rd available.

I just finished the storyline with my lvl 42 mage. If the second option existed, I would be somewhat rewarded by being allowed to play at the next level a little sooner than I will otherwise be able to (still my choice, it's not a requirement, just an opportunity).

As it is, I'm going to be stuck with nothing new to do except pure level grinding 'till I hit 50 and can start the story over again. This idea could motivate RPG-focussed players without affecting non-RPG players at all.

LDiCesare
10-16-2007, 11:36 AM
Yes, that's what I ment when I wrote this:
it would be nice if, rather than unblocking the harder world when you reach level 25/xx/..., you'd unblock it when you finished all storyline quests, as the storyline quests are reset when you increase world difficulty.

AnalogKid
10-16-2007, 04:50 PM
Yes I know, but I think the important distinction is to not tie difficulty increases ONLY to finishing the story quests. It's obvious that the advancements are tied to level because the game is intended to be more action-oriented than RPG-oriented.

So I guess my incredibly amazing, earth-shatteringly innovative addition to your idea was ... the word OR. :)

Jedi_Learner
11-15-2007, 09:21 PM
...when you kill the last boss in the storyline, it doesn't feel that special at all. It's a bit sad.

I also thought it was disappointing that nothing happened when you killed Draaien. A special chest or some fireworks in Jorvik would of been nice. :p

Shadow
11-16-2007, 09:35 AM
I'm not disagreeing with you guys and I'll probably add something extra when you kill him, but there is something available when you finally kill Draaien. It's just a secret and no one has figured it out yet. :)

Jedi_Learner
11-16-2007, 02:14 PM
Is it the same secret that apparently can be found hidden in one of the stories Shadow? Please do tell. ;)

Shadow
11-16-2007, 02:39 PM
Yes, it is the same secret. So that's two hints so far. :)

p3n4nc3
11-16-2007, 06:20 PM
Yes, it is the same secret. So that's two hints so far. :)

Okay...I'm intrigued :)

Jedi_Learner
11-23-2007, 03:45 PM
I think I have the general idea, but nothing seems to be happening. It involves the crystals outside your covenant, right? :p

Shadow
11-26-2007, 01:59 PM
SPOILER: It does have something to do with the crystals. There are multiple conditions that must be met first though.

Jedi_Learner
11-26-2007, 05:02 PM
SPOILER: Draaien dead? Only available on normal difficulty? Requirement includes having all forty tomes in bookcase? More hints please. :p

Shadow
11-29-2007, 11:02 AM
You need to read a certain story.

Jedi_Learner
11-29-2007, 03:34 PM
Looking Red the Crystals' Cry? Already read it, and tried to do exactly what the elves did with the crystals, but nothing seems to happen. Or perhaps it is another story?

Shadow
11-30-2007, 01:42 PM
SPOLIER: Ok, another small hint: time of day is important.

Jedi_Learner
11-30-2007, 07:51 PM
I found the secret Shadow a few minutes ago, thanks. :)

Kruztee
01-15-2008, 03:50 AM
I just worked this one out too!
Yipee!:D:D:D

Delilah Rehm
01-15-2008, 03:22 PM
Cogratulations, guys! I hope it was a fun hunt. :cool:

Kruztee
01-17-2008, 05:09 AM
Is this only avaiable once per character? I can't seem to reactivate it...:confused:

(name here)
01-17-2008, 07:58 AM
might be a few extra conditions.

Delilah Rehm
01-17-2008, 09:21 AM
Once per character is correct.

Shadow
01-17-2008, 11:02 AM
Well once per character per difficulty level.

Delilah Rehm
01-17-2008, 02:01 PM
Oh... I didn't know that. :D

StealthBunny
01-17-2008, 04:00 PM
Does that mean I could go back and play my character in Easy and get it again (heh... haven't even done it once yet, but in THEORY!)

Shadow
01-17-2008, 04:06 PM
I meant the world difficulty (normal, champion, elite, and legendary).

StealthBunny
01-17-2008, 04:55 PM
That's what I meant. Just couldn't remember terminology.

Shadow
01-17-2008, 05:06 PM
Yes, if you find the secret in champion you can go back and get it in normal difficulty also. It won't be worth as much though.

StealthBunny
01-17-2008, 06:55 PM
Are these the crystals within the city itself, right? Not any of the ruins out in the Forest?

Delve
01-18-2008, 11:03 AM
Woooh. Goodies! I found 2 set items and a snazzy (if too low level to be useful to that particular character) artifact in there. Now to start a world down in Normal level to fetch it there as well. :D

Shadow
01-18-2008, 11:07 AM
Yes, it involves the crystals near your house in town.

ovideo
02-15-2008, 02:48 PM
can anyone guide me through the secret in a pm? i'm curious but... i'm not into stories and all that so i'm not going to read them too soon.

laclongquan
02-16-2008, 08:58 AM
ME TOO ME TOO

I am not sure which story point to it so I havent solved it yet

color me embarashed.

:o :o :o :o