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Shadow
10-28-2009, 12:46 PM
For Din's Curse, I have expanded the gameplay around chests, and given the player some actual choices. All of this post applies to doors also, but I'm just going to reference chests for simplicity. In most RPGs, especially action RPGs, opening a chest is not a choice. It is something you automatically do every time you find a chest. In Din's Curse, I expect a few chests here and there to be left alone, at least for a little while.

When you get close to a chest, you get a good bit of information about it- whether or not it's locked, your chance to pick the lock, what kind of trap you think it has, what's your chance of being right about the trap, and your chance to disarm it. That sounds like a lot, but it really boils down to is it locked and/or trapped.

First off, what if the chest is locked? Well if you have a skeleton key, you are good to go. Just use the door, you will use up one key, and the door will open (it might set off a trap though). However, skeleton keys are fairly rare and expensive (at least to new characters). Rogues or a hybrid character with the thief specialty has a pick locks skill. Picking a lock takes a bit of time and uses up some of your mana. The chance that you are actually successful depends on your skill level compared to the level of the lock.

What if you don't have a key and aren't a rogue? You simply bash open the chest or if you are a wizard, blast it into little pieces. There is a catch- bashing open chests is really noisy. You are going to alert any nearby monsters and on top of that, you get a surprise penalty for a period of time. Bashing on things can simply be dangerous to your health.

Next: traps. First off, the display only tells you what you think the trap is, not what it really is. It does give you a percent chance that the guess is correct though. This guess is based on your perception stat which is based on intelligence, but does get a bonus from both the pick lock and disarm trap skills. So in general, mage types and rogues will have good perception. Assuming there actually is a trap and you trip it, that's where your disarm skill comes in to play. Once again only a rogue or thief specialty has this skill and it is your skill compared to the trap skill level with a bit of randomness that determines you success chance. There are a lot of really nasty traps so we'll just hope you're successful.

That's how it functions, but how does it play out in the game? Well mage types come up to chests and with their high intelligence and thus high perception notice traps fairly easily. They have no way to deal with them directly though. So when there is a really nasty trap, they either leave them alone or blast the chest from a distance depending on the trap type. A rogue will see the trap, unlock the chest, and disarm the trap. As for the warrior way, keys are for wimps. Something is locked? Smash it to smithereens. Of course this is where playing co-op with friends is nice, just make the rogue open all of the chests.

The choices can get harder though. What if you are deep in the dungeon, your health is low, you have no more supplies, you are playing a hardcore character, the current level is fairly hard, and your perception tells you that the chest in front of you has a pit trap that will drop you to the next dungeon level? What do you do? Do you risk it?

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Guenwhyever
10-29-2009, 06:33 AM
First off, what if the chest is locked? Well if you have a skeleton key, you are good to go.
As for the warrior way, keys are for wimps.

That second line kind of confuses me... skeleton keys are for all classes, correct?

Are certain chests harder to break open than others? (I think they should be, for the record :P)
If so, what (stat) is breaking the chest reliant on?

How do mage types deal with locks?
It sounds like they just break open the chest with spells, if so, can they use just any basic damage spell?
If not, ... explain :D

Do warrior types just have to take the force of the trap?

Shadow
10-29-2009, 09:48 AM
That second line kind of confuses me... skeleton keys are for all classes, correct?

Are certain chests harder to break open than others? (I think they should be, for the record :P)
If so, what (stat) is breaking the chest reliant on?

How do mage types deal with locks?
It sounds like they just break open the chest with spells, if so, can they use just any basic damage spell?
If not, ... explain :D

Do warrior types just have to take the force of the trap?

Anyone can use a key.

Chests and doors basically have health, which will eventually probably scale with the level you are on. You can attack them and use spells on them just like if they were a monster or anything else that is attackable.

Yeah, those classes without any kind of ranged attack will be in more danger from traps, although they tend to have more health.

Coreyh2
10-29-2009, 10:06 AM
I'm very used to trapped chests in games like baldur's gate and neverwinter nights, and even wizardry. Personally I don't like them. They slow the game down. Same thing with regular traps. I like to be able to move forward constantly. Lockpick puzzles are a little better if the puzzle is interesting. Like Mass Effect PC or Bioshock. I still prefer to exploring and fighting though.

What you describe is pretty similar to neverwinter nights. It works but it does slow things down. Its less a big deal if you are in a party with a thief but its still pretty boring. It is old school though. Very D&D. If thats the style you want you should keep it.

DeathKnight1728
10-29-2009, 11:54 AM
It seems like this game is just getting more and more in depth as it goes along. This new aspect will bring a lot more fun to the rogue like characters who have to use their own type of skill and chance to get through the chest. I have a good feeling about this, and the pit trap is also very cool too. It's like playing indiana jones and the infernal machine when you fall down a pit and have to go all the way up to the previous level.

I will say one thing though. Maybe to get to a secret area of certain dungeons, you have to fall through a hole/pit in order to get a bigger chest or higher chest than usual. Thus, in these circumstances, it's better to be the rash dungeon sweeper. Just a thought.