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Qwerytykeys
02-03-2010, 06:33 PM
Thinking of pre-ordering, but I have a question about DRM. What type of DRM will the full game use?

If I don't pre-order how much will the full game cost? Also when will the pre-orders end?

Also will the full game be available on any other sites like Amazon.com, Steam, Direct 2 Drive etc.?

Thanks

Shadow
02-03-2010, 09:33 PM
We just check to make sure your key is valid (offline). No screwy DRM to get in the way.

I'm not sure what the final price is going to be yet. I'm guessing that beta will last around a month and that's probably how long the pre-order price will last.

We will pitch Din's Curse to some of the portals. I don't know which ones will accept us though. Out of the 3 you mentioned, Amazon's not likely because they will force us into ridiculous price wars with our own game. We got Depths of Peril on Steam but not Kivi's Underworld and Direct 2 Drive accepted Kivi but not DoP, so who knows.

getter77
02-03-2010, 09:57 PM
I would think Rampant Games would be a friendly venue again....maybe the likes of Gamersgate as well considering they grab many a "less visible" RPG out of Eastern Europe.

Svartalf
02-03-2010, 10:14 PM
I would think Rampant Games would be a friendly venue again....

I'd think Greenhouse would be- but then both Greenhouse and Rampant only appear to have Kivi's Underworld on their lists. Could be another case like Direct 2 Drive as far as we know. Steven would have to be the one to tell us that one.

maybe the likes of Gamersgate as well considering they grab many a "less visible" RPG out of Eastern Europe.

I wouldn't know- there seems to be a high percentage of things from publishers like EA, JoWood, and others. The encouraging thing is that Torchlight is in the mix- which means they're not against indies, per se.

Qwerytykeys
02-04-2010, 01:47 AM
We just check to make sure your key is valid (offline). No screwy DRM to get in the way.

I'm not sure what the final price is going to be yet. I'm guessing that beta will last around a month and that's probably how long the pre-order price will last.

We will pitch Din's Curse to some of the portals. I don't know which ones will accept us though. Out of the 3 you mentioned, Amazon's not likely because they will force us into ridiculous price wars with our own game. We got Depths of Peril on Steam but not Kivi's Underworld and Direct 2 Drive accepted Kivi but not DoP, so who knows.
Thanks for the answers. I am glad I don't have to worry about DRM. I don't like having to worry about having X number of activations left.

I assume it is the same for all your games?

Shadow
02-04-2010, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the answers. I am glad I don't have to worry about DRM. I don't like having to worry about having X number of activations left.

I assume it is the same for all your games?

Our games use slightly varying keys, but none of them have any DRM getting in the way.


For the portal stuff: Greenhouse took Kivi but not DoP. We have Kivi and DoP on Gamer's Gate. Rampant has both games up but they aren't a portal, they are an affiliate. It really boils down to we will talk to various portals that give us a reasonable percent and don't screw around with the price (I should blog about all of this some day), but if they accept the game is completely up to them.

derailed
02-04-2010, 11:27 AM
I wouldn't know- there seems to be a high percentage of things from publishers like EA, JoWood, and others. The encouraging thing is that Torchlight is in the mix- which means they're not against indies, per se.
hehe. this is an annoying comment. I like gamersgate a lot and use them all the time so I feel I have to respond. what does having big name publisher games on gamersgate have to do with them being indie friendly or not? have you seen the amount of small budget/indie games you can get through gamersgate? I think they take on more than any others. I have no idea what rates they offer though, but both really small publishers and independent games they definitely do better than any other portal site I've seen. take a couple of minutes at least to look at what they offer on there before you make a comment like that.

and also the runic guys have a pretty big backer in perfect world, they're far from the most independent company out there.

Svartalf
02-04-2010, 12:06 PM
hehe. this is an annoying comment. I like gamersgate a lot and use them all the time so I feel I have to respond. what does having big name publisher games on gamersgate have to do with them being indie friendly or not? have you seen the amount of small budget/indie games you can get through gamersgate? I think they take on more than any others. I have no idea what rates they offer though, but both really small publishers and independent games they definitely do better than any other portal site I've seen. take a couple of minutes at least to look at what they offer on there before you make a comment like that.

Considering that I largely don't buy/play Windows titles other than maybe indie stuff- and I prefer doing Linux stuff (sort of an eating one's on dog food sort of thing there... ;) ) I typically look at the stuff they're featuring and go from there. I wouldn't have dug in very deep on GamersGate because they've not gotten any Linux stuff to sell (yet...). If that was in error...mea culpa. Past experiences with dealing with outlets dealing with the big names like EA, etc. tended to be less than favorable from my end of things. I'd be tickled beyond words if they're "indie" friendly- because it also translates into good prospects for other projects down the line.

spectf
02-04-2010, 12:57 PM
So, if I understand correctly, you can buy the game once and then use it on different PCs you own? Like my work PC and my home PC?

If this is true, how do I DL the game again without going through the preorder again? I DLd it at home last night, but now I NEED it at work :D

DarkShrike
02-04-2010, 01:38 PM
So, if I understand correctly, you can buy the game once and then use it on different PCs you own? Like my work PC and my home PC?

If this is true, how do I DL the game again without going through the preorder again? I DLd it at home last night, but now I NEED it at work :D

LOL - thankfully it is on my macbook which I brought to work today, however I DID consider installing iton my work PC ;)

DarkShrike
02-04-2010, 01:45 PM
Also to answer your question, do you still have the email with the download link in it? I believe that link is valid for a while. Typically several days but in this case, due to beta, I think it says that it expires in august.

Shadow
02-04-2010, 03:59 PM
So, if I understand correctly, you can buy the game once and then use it on different PCs you own? Like my work PC and my home PC?

If this is true, how do I DL the game again without going through the preorder again? I DLd it at home last night, but now I NEED it at work :D

Technically that's against the letter of the EULA, but not the spirit (so it's fine with me). Unfortunately, if you try to download it from work also BMT's download system will probably lock you out. Personally I would just burn a CD or something. It's always nice to have a backup anyways.

Shadow
02-04-2010, 04:01 PM
Oh, also from my experience Gamer's Gate is pretty friendly to us indie developers.

DarkShrike
02-04-2010, 04:28 PM
Technically that's against the letter of the EULA, but not the spirit (so it's fine with me). Unfortunately, if you try to download it from work also BMT's download system will probably lock you out. Personally I would just burn a CD or something. It's always nice to have a backup anyways.

hmm.... well thats good to know. I wonder if there is a lifespan to their keeping that information. Sometimes I use my laptop at work, sometimes at home. yesterday i was at work when you announced things so I downloaded it from work.

how do you make patches available to us?

*edit - I guess in my case it doesnt matter as much since I did back up the installers once I downloaded. It looks like patches come through you anyway so shouldn't matter where I originally downloaded from.

Aganazer
02-04-2010, 04:35 PM
Technically that's against the letter of the EULA, but not the spirit (so it's fine with me). Unfortunately, if you try to download it from work also BMT's download system will probably lock you out. Personally I would just burn a CD or something. It's always nice to have a backup anyways.

How is this going to work once we all need a release version? Or a beta update for that matter?

Shadow
02-04-2010, 04:54 PM
We typically post patches directly on our website. The patches are usually way smaller, so it is easier to grab that from us than to download everything again.

In general I wouldn't worry too much about BMTs download system cutting you off. I can turn it back on easy enough, you would just need to email me.

spectf
02-04-2010, 05:01 PM
Technically that's against the letter of the EULA, but not the spirit (so it's fine with me). Unfortunately, if you try to download it from work also BMT's download system will probably lock you out. Personally I would just burn a CD or something. It's always nice to have a backup anyways.

Ah ok, I misunderstood then (probably from the Qt3 post). Thanks for the tip though!

Shadow
02-04-2010, 05:07 PM
The EULA basics says within the same location. I'm not trying to rule out your work computer and your home computer though. That's perfectly fine with me.

Svartalf
02-04-2010, 10:09 PM
Oh, also from my experience Gamer's Gate is pretty friendly to us indie developers.

That's a good thing, then... :D